Legal Experts Discuss Opposing Viewpoints of the Criminal Justice System

The Legal Advocacy & Education Commission (The LAEC) hosted a thought-provoking virtual event that brought together two distinguished legal experts, Criminal Justice Attorney Zoe Aron and former Criminal Prosecutor Lisa Pyle. Our event aimed to provide attendees with a deep understanding of the legal landscapes and an insightful look into the complex workings of the criminal justice system from contrasting viewpoints. 

By bringing a criminal defense attorney and a former prosecutor into this virtual event, The LAEC effectively bridged the gap between opposing sides of the legal spectrum. Our unique approach allowed attendees to witness the interplay between the two roles, showcasing how their distinct viewpoints ultimately serve in the pursuit of justice.

Key Takeaways:

  • Our attendees gained valuable insights into the criminal justice system from the defense and prosecution perspectives.
  • Critical themes within the legal landscapes, including client engagement and the trial process, were explored in-depth.
  • Our event underscored the importance of fundamental ideals in the practice of law.
  • By showcasing the collaboration between a defense attorney and a prosecutor, we demonstrated the intricate balance required for justice to prevail.

Plea Deals, A Complex Victory:

Our virtual event commenced with a reflection statement: “A deal is a victory for an attorney.” This statement sparked a captivating discussion between the two experts.

Lisa Pyle emphasized that the perception of a deal as a victory varies based on the case’s circumstances. Plea deals can offer efficiency by avoiding lengthy trials, especially when all the evidence may not be available through the discovery process.

However, Pyle acknowledged that not all defendants fully understand the consequences of the offered plea deal, emphasizing the need for proper counseling. She also highlighted the role of overworked prosecutors in negotiating plea deals and the pressure to resolve cases quickly, which may not always result in the best outcomes for defendants.

Zoe Aron echoed the sentiment that the perception of victory depends on the client’s satisfaction. As a defense attorney, Aron emphasized her commitment to securing the best possible outcome for her clients. She recognized many clients have diverse priorities, ranging from reducing charges to avoiding jail time or swiftly closing their cases. Aron highlighted the significance of case-by-case analysis and achieving the best possible outcome, which may often involve accepting a plea deal.

Aron, who has experience as both a public defender and a private attorney, shed light on the challenges public defenders face due to heavy caseloads and the need for expedited resolutions. She agreed that while plea deals can benefit attorneys and clients, their ultimate success depends on each client’s unique circumstances and goals.

The Fairness Viewpoints of the Criminal Justice System:

Our second question addressed the fairness and accuracy of the existing criminal justice system.

Lisa Pyle acknowledged that while the justice system is imperfect, it has evolved and improved periodically. She cited increased accountability through measures like police’s body camera footage and recorded interrogations. Pyle stressed that many reforms have arisen due to media attention highlighting issues such as police brutality in marginalized communities, leading to greater transparency.

Drawing from her experience as a prosecutor, Pyle mentioned the prosecution of an isolated group of police officers and the challenges posed by the “blue wall of silence.” She highlighted the checks and balances in the system, with law enforcement officers, prosecutors, judges, and defense attorneys playing critical roles in ensuring fair outcomes.

Pyle emphasized the prosecutor’s duty to seek justice rather than solely focusing on conviction. She argued the justice system is imperfect but is continually improving due to increased attention to underlying problems and enhanced transparency.

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Zoe Aron took on a different perspective, challenging the notion of fairness in the criminal justice system. She asserted that while improvements are present, the current system remains inadequate. Aron stressed that fairness is elusive, particularly for individuals from disadvantaged backgrounds.

Arising from her public defender experience, Aron highlighted disparities in sentencing based on race, gender, and socioeconomic factors. She argued that unconscious biases within the system contribute to unequal treatment. Aron questioned the notion of defendants being innocent until proven guilty, as societal and courtroom perceptions often differ.

Aron advocated for systemic reforms addressing issues such as the privatization of prisons, disparities in funding between prosecutors and public defenders, and the cash bail system. She contended that the system should prioritize addressing root causes, such as poverty and mental illness, to yield more equitable results.

Viewpoints on How to Improve the Criminal Justice System: 

Our next segment focused on suggestions for improving the criminal justice system.

Lisa Pyle highlighted the importance of accountability in law enforcement as a starting point for improvements. She advocated for the decriminalization of certain offenses, particularly drug-related crimes. Pyle argued that these offenses overwhelm the system and divert resources from serious crimes like homicides, sexual assault, and child abuse.

Furthermore, Pyle emphasized the need to address root causes, including poverty and mental health issues, to reduce the burden on the justice system. She urged a shift toward prevention rather than solely relying on incarceration.

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In addition, Zoe Aron concurred with Pyle’s call for increased funding for public defenders to level the playing field. She stressed the significant disparities in resources allocated to prosecutors’ offices compared to public defenders. Aron emphasized that enhanced funding for public defense would lead to a fairer system.

Aron also highlighted the need to reform the cash bail system, affecting indigent defendants disproportionately. She argued that the system should focus on the risk of flight and danger to society rather than a defendant’s ability to pay bail.

Convictions and Their Role in a Prosecutor’s Career:

One of the initial questions raised in our discussion revolved around whether trial convictions serve as resume boosters for prosecutors. 

Lisa Pyle, who had extensive experience as a prosecutor in the Bronx, highlighted that contrary to common belief, convictions are not the primary focus of a prosecutor’s career. She explained that while high-profile cases like the indictment of public figures might garner media attention, the prevalence of trial cases in many D.A. offices is not considered headline-worthy. Pyle emphasized that the number of convictions does not significantly impact a prosecutor’s career in most cases.

Instead, Pyle stressed the importance of building a reputation as a fair, honest, and respected prosecutor. She shared instances where she refused to prosecute cases due to concerns about the quality of police investigations or a lack of probable cause. These actions are viewed as responsible and ethical within her office, demonstrating that pursuing justice and ensuring fairness took precedence over accumulating convictions.

Zoe Aron, a former public defender, concurred with Pyle’s perspective. She noted that while some prosecutors may prioritize convictions, others focus on achieving just outcomes. Aron emphasized that being an effective litigator could impact negotiations with prosecutors, as a reputation for winning trials might influence defense strategies. However, she pointed out that many of these cases have garnered little to no attention from the public, making convictions less relevant to a prosecutor’s career.

Alternative Sentencing Viewpoints of the Criminal Justice Reform:

Our discussion then shifted to alternative sentencing options to prison, considering whether individuals guilty of crimes should have the opportunity to explore alternatives. 

Zoe Aron is a strong advocate for this approach. She argued that prison often fails to rehabilitate individuals and instead institutionalizes them, increasing the likelihood of recidivism. Aron pointed to diversion programs as a promising alternative, where offenders can enroll in specialized courses and treatments related to their offenses. Completing these programs can lead to dismissing their charges and sealing their arrest records. She also mentioned the potential for house arrest and ankle monitors, allowing offenders to continue working and participating in society under the supervision of the criminal justice system.

Aron emphasized the need to address the root causes of criminal behavior and highlighted the research suggesting that longer prison sentences do not necessarily deter crime. She stressed the importance of providing opportunities for education and skills development within the prison system to help offenders reintegrate into society successfully.

Lisa Pyle agreed with the need for alternative sentencing options, particularly for nonviolent crimes like property, victimless, and drug offenses. She discussed her experience with drug courts at her former office, where offenders undergo specialized programs focused on treatment and rehabilitation. Pyle argued these programs offer a more constructive approach compared to incarceration.

Both participants in our discussion recognized the financial burden of the prison system on taxpayers and the potential benefits of rehabilitation and education for offenders.

The Role of The Legal Advocacy & Education Commission (LAEC):

Our conversation concluded with The LAEC’s role in bridging the gap between the justice system and the community. The LAEC aims to provide alternatives to incarceration and support individuals in pursuing productive life paths. Lisa Pyle and Zoe Aron expressed the importance of educating the public about the criminal justice system and providing accurate information.

Zoe Aron stressed the significance of public perception and how misinformation can influence people’s opinions about the criminal justice system. She believed educating the public, especially by individuals with relevant experience, could help counter misconceptions and biases.

Lisa Pyle acknowledged the challenges of reforming a complex and deeply entrenched system. However, she emphasized the potential for organizations like The LAEC to alleviate some of the burdens faced by the justice system. She highlighted the need for improved mental health services for victims and offenders and suggested that alternative sentencing options and educational programs could help address some of the systemic issues.


Our virtual event, featuring Criminal Defense Attorney Zoe Aron and former Criminal Prosecutor Lisa Pyle, has proved to be an enlightening and informative session that provided attendees with two comprehensive viewpoints of the criminal justice system. By presenting diverse perspectives and exploring crucial themes, we succeeded in shedding light on the intricacies of the legal profession and its commitment to justice. It served as a valuable resource for anyone interested in gaining a deeper insight into the workings of the legal world.